#47: On the resonance of seculosity with David Zahl.

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In this episode of the Ministry Minded Podcast, I was privileged to sit down with the author of Seculosity and the director of Mockingbird himself, David Zahl. We discuss Dave’s book, Seculosity and its resonant influence along with the impact the book tour has had on Dave personally. Having just finished his book recently, I was more than thrilled to talk to Dave about Seculosity and some of the insights he provides throughout its pages. If you’re unfamiliar, “seculosity” is a word of Dave’s own conjuring, combing “secular” and “religiosity,” in order to speak to the reality of everyday religion.

“Our religious crisis today is not that religion is on the wane,” Dave asserts, “but that we are more religious than ever, and about too many things. We are almost never not in church.”1 Opposite to the common thinking the current generation of teens and young adults are becoming less religious is the notion that, while it might be true that they’re leaving church buildings and institutions behind, millennials are more religious than ever. They’re merely getting their religious, spiritual kick somewhere other than church. They’re ascribing to a wide array of seculosities, each with their own liturgy and creed.

But what Dave endeavors to pinpoint throughout Seculosity is that while these other undertakings are good and worthwhile in their own right and way, they will always come up short when compared to the gospel, because only the gospel announces that your struggle for self-worth, self-salvation, and self-justification is over. It was over before it even began because of Christ’s finished work. “Our attempts to engineer our own salvation backfire, and do so dramatically,” Dave continues. “The only life raft capable of reaching a world drowning in seculosity will not be inflated with anything we do or don’t do, but what God himself has done and is doing.”2 Which is to say: only the gospel has grace.

This was a great conversation. I am always blessed by Dave’s insights and I pray you will likewise find this to be a beneficial.


Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do about It, David Zahl

If Jesus Were a Dietitian,” David Zahl

The Mockingcast,” with David Zahl, Sarah Condon, & RJ Heijmen

More Theology & Less Heavy Cream: The Domestic Life of Pietro And Madeleine, Robert Capon

The Youngest Day: Shelter Island’s Seasons in the Light of Grace, Robert Capon

Law and Gospel: A Theology for Sinners (and Saints), William McDavid,‎ Ethan Richardson,‎ & David Zahl

A Mess of Help: From the Crucified Soul of Rock N’ Roll, David Zahl

The Gospel According to Pixar, David Zahl

The Mockingbird Devotional: Good News for Today (and Every Day), Ethan Richardson and Sean Norris

Grace: So Much More Than You Know and So Much Better Than You Think, Brad J. Gray


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David is a speaker, writer, and pastor in Charlottesville, Virginia, where he lives with his wife and three boys. There, he serves the congregation of Christ Church as its college and young adult minister. In addition to that, he’s the founder, curator, and director of Mockingbird Ministries, a site devoted to connecting the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in down-to-earth ways. Since its inception in 2007, Mockingbird has become an incredible resource for Christian readers of all stripes of faith to enhance their knowledge of the gospel and discern between law and grace. David regularly writes at Mockingbird, as well as hosts conferences, podcasts, and publishes books. You can follow this ministry by connecting with them on Twitter, @mockingbirdmin.


Intro music: “Day 28” by Ryan Little, licensed under CC BY 4.0.


David Zahl, Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do About It (Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2019), 185.


Ibid., 187.