#108: On rest and resiliency in pastoral ministry with Josh Hedger.

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In this edition of the Ministry Minded Podcast, I am thrilled to share mine and Josh Hedger’s discussion of the pastorate and how modernity’s expectations of pastors can create unhealthy and unsustainable ministry environments. What does it mean to be a restful yet resilient minister in the modern age? What are some pastoral stressors than can lead to burnout and fallout? And how can one navigate those stressors in order to pastor for the long haul? Such are some of the questions Josh and I aim to tackle as we seek to both contemplate and articulate the need for deliberate slowness for long-term pastoral ministry. As the late Eugene Peterson once quipped, “Souls cannot be hurried.” May you be blessed by this conversation notwithstanding your current ministerial context.


Stonington Baptist Church sermons

Resilient Ministry: What Pastors Told Us About Surviving and Thriving, Bob Burns, Tasha Chapman, & Donald Guthrie


The Imperfect Pastor: Discovering Joy in Our Limitations through a Daily Apprenticeship with Jesus, Zack Eswine

The Gospel-Driven Church: Uniting Church-Growth Dreams with the Metrics of Grace, Jared C. Wilson

Daily Grace: The Mockingbird Devotional, Vol. 2

Grace: So Much More Than You Know and So Much Better Than You Think, Brad J. Gray


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Josh Hedger currently serves as the Pastor of Teaching and Leadership for Emmaus Church in Kansas City, Missouri, where he lives with his wife and two children. He holds a B.A. from Southwest Baptist University (SWBTS) and an M.A. from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (MBTS). His background in various academic, pastoral, and international ministry postings give Josh a robust perspective on the efficacy of the gospel of grace in various contexts. His present aims, for Emmaus and beyond, include leadership development and pastoral care. You can connect Josh on Twitter and Facebook.


Intro music: “Explorers (Instrumental Version)” by The Midnight, The Midnight Music LLC, 2018.

Ad music: “Coffee Stains” by Finley, licensed under CC BY 4.0.